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1. oh yea says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   27:43
   The Solution to the Tomato Paradox and the Ramifications
   a Response to the Pineapple on Pizza Paradox
   By oh yea

   "Tomatoes and other vegetables are ingredients that fit within the parameters of the culinary dish that is a pizza." This statement is the heart of the Pineapple on Pizza Paradox (PoP Paradox). The exclusivity it implies is what has sparked this fiery debate. I am here not to pose a solution, but to inspire critical thinking in the reader of this response. Before I continue, I feel it is only fair for me to address any biases I may hold: I believe pineapple can be put on pizza. If you had asked me several years ago, I would say pineapple improves pizza. I was then introduced to the titular Tomato Paradox. This has shaken my confidence in this solution to the PoP Paradox, but I still hold my position.

   The Tomato Paradox is touched upon in Exclusivist Solution to the PoP Paradox. This Solution states, "Pineapple does not qualify as a pizza topping because it is not a fruit." This implies that all fruits are incapable of passing through pizzahood. If any are used as toppings, what you have is no longer a pizza. The Tomato Paradox arises when the Inclusivist Solution proponents draw attention to a supposed fallacy in the Exclusivist Solution. "If fruits are not qualified as pizza toppings, then why are tomatoes allowed in the sauce and as a topping despite their status of being a fruit?" This naturally leads to an argument of the nature of a tomato. "Is it a fruit or is it a vegetable?" This is the Tomato Paradox. This is also a false dichotomy.

   When dealing with labelling things, especially natural entities, it is human nature to use all-encompassing labels for a plethora of specific things. This is what is encountered in the Tomato Paradox. It is solved simply by addressing it: "vegetable" is a culinary term, while "fruit" is both a scientific and culinary term. Although a vegetable is usually defined as any part of a plant that is not the fruit, this distinction falls apart when tomatoes are considered a vegetable. Mushrooms, another classic vegetable, aren't even plants to begin with. This means that a vegetable has no defining trait or some innate vegetable essence that makes it as such. A vegetable is entirely dependent upon whether it is prescribed the "vegetable" label or not. Credit to @ZicV who has already pointed this out.

   By this metric, any vegetable is allowed on pizza. This includes typical toppings like onions, mushrooms, peppers, and tomatoes while leaving the door open in a seemingly unaccounted fashion. Vegetables also include beans, potatoes, and pumpkins. Are these allowed on pizza? Flowers and even bark are contained within the strictest definition of a vegetable. Are these allowed on pizza? Furthermore, if tomatoes are both fruits and vegetables, what's stopping us from labelling pineapples as both and thus circumventing this whole dilemma? The reason why certain edible things labelled as vegetables were allowed on pizza in the first place was because the taste good. Obviously, Inclusivists agree that pineapple on pizza does taste good so it should rightfully be an option as a topping. The fact that there is a dilemma to begin with proves that this side makes up a sizable portion. Should vegetarians argue that meat also doesn't belong on pizza? Why are we taking only a select portion of the populace's consideration on what dictates a worthy topping? Should we not use the same methodology of the founders of the pizza? Should we not proclaim any topping that a notable portion of pizza indulgers appreciate is a real topping? This strict adherence to an exceedingly aged recipe only enforces a Eurocentric perspective on recipe design. This is rule is clearly only followed when the ingredient in question appeals to the stereotypical Western European palate: spicy jalapenos are fine while pineapples are sanctioned with social punishment.

   Despite all of this, there is still sound logic behind the Exclusivist Solution. Admittedly, the proposed standard of a pizza topping is just that: a proposal. It holds no water, it has no objective meaning, and in the end it's just a suggestion. However, the role of pizza as a food is not in a vacuum. Pizza plays an important role in Italian and Northern Mediterranean cultures. This is especially true for immigrants from these areas, as they lack access to a lot of the interpersonal aspects of their culture. Yes, there's more than enough protection for European cultures yet the standard set by holding the classic or even traditionally accepted pizza ingredients to a higher regard is worthy of consideration. Other cultures recipes should also be respected in this manner, especially in heterogeneous countries such as Canada and the USA. To forget or ignore the efforts of a people to create a dish they enjoy with what they are afforded can be arrogant and disrespectful to that people.

   To conclude, I still find the Inclusivist argument to be more compelling (you can probably tell by the length of the related paragraph), but I do think there stands a middle ground. To the Exclusivists, I applaud you for giving life to a culture even if it is not your own (and for reading this far), but maybe chill out a bit. People have different palates and most individuals' aren't even consistent throughout their lives. What you're seeing with pineapple becoming a staple is the food culture evolving live, and I personally think that's pretty cool. To the Inclusivists, I applaud you for experimenting with new ways to enjoy the culinary world, but be humble. What you're doing is weird, which is one of the very driving forces behind it. While you're on this adventure though, don't dismiss the hard work and dedication put behind the recipes that already exist. They exist for a reason, and I personally think that's also pretty cool.

   P.S. I love watching your videos, Olivia. I have ADHD (one of my symptoms is hyperfixation as you may notice) and it's hard for me to articulate and/or expand upon abstract ideas like how you do. I appreciate your insight as it helps give me the words for those ideas and grows the seeds of thought I hadn't noticed were there. I hope you're doing well and I can't wait for the next video. Also fuck whoever says you're not pretty.

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2. ON42 says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   Damn she is gorgeous

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3. Oussama Aderdour says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   Does she believe in God tho ?

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4. Wandre's Pupilo says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   wow, this community is so not toxic (unironically)

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5. // says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   Girl, I’m not lying when I say this but I thought you would look less attractive without make up but I actually find it even more attractive. I am serious… how can you be so perfect??? Especially your glowing skin!

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6. Aruto says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   you are beautiful and you content is very good due to your well explained point of view which I personaly agree most of the time

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7. Beary Bearbear says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   Your so pretty

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8. tavrel says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   the fact thet i forgot the name of your channel and just googled "youtube essay girl" and succeeded

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9. Ex says:

   July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

   this stuff is grabonzo

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10. Ex says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    you're bad

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11. Ex says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    useless

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12. まふね__。 says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    Yay one of my favorite youtubers of all time also listens to txt✨️
    Btw you most recent video was so good

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13. blogger_bing says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    the 'sun', is it 孙？

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14. camila says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    im like 6 months late to this video but you are so cute and smart and eloquent!

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15. ZeddS says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    25:46…perhaps the question relates to "in your mind or fevered dreams". DeathNote it isn't, but maybe in the darkest corner of the mind, there will be a number 😷

    Quite glad to stumble upon this content. Great stuff 👍

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16. Vrailly says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    Surely this means you should watch the UK Office…

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17. Phoenix Ferret says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    Thanks for the Q&A love listening to your videos you provide access to a lot of interesting ideas. Stay strong have a good one!

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18. civiccc says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    What makes them think about you being annoying is their preconceived connotations with young people (specially gen z) and everything else you mentioned. you appear woke even if you are or not.

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19. 王隔壁 says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    抽🦣

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20. T MACGEO says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    23:54 @str4wberrviez

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21. Yonase Geleta says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    omg she says sorry so canadian

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22. Dolphinmagic says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    Damn that's a hot look with that rolled up bangs like a cowlick. Can I have your number?

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23. Wrennie says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    At some parts of video i feel like i'm listening myself and gosh its so weird, like our "6th grade book obsessions" are same, our appereance insecures kinda same, dealing with self-hatred etc. İts very awkward but also funny(?)

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24. Ed Smith says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    Thank you for making these videos. About the "you look wierd" (without specification) replies you have been receiving: actually you are pretty and present very well on screen. Your styles and cosmetic applications are very good! (I asked a couple of other people the same question here, and they had the same reply – they also think you are attractive and present well.) Those complaints may be dissimulations for several reasons which may roughly translate into (if from a female) "you look better than I do" or (if from a male) "my girlfriend is annoyed with me that I watch your videos with such interest". You have a very likeable appearance and demeanor and speak very intelligently, but sometimes you might miss nuances and counter-positions. (I was exactly the same way when I was your age.) You're doing a great job with these videos and I'm very happy you brighten screens and minds all over the world. (And a slight edit because sometimes auto-correct is my worst enema. You're doing a great job!)

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25. Brandon says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    I'm still waiting for that actual unpopular opinion. Those are the only things I thrive for lol.

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26. Grey Goose says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    Regarding dreams, I recommend the "The Interpretation of Dreams" by Freud. He talks about dreams of his patients and his personal dreams, then he goes to interpret and analyze them, literally several pages interpretation on even a short dream. He believed that every single detail in a dream has meaning and can be explained

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27. Leo Challand says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    as an italian i did not appreciate 27:46– 28:00😐😭

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28. Sandile Mlambo says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    I love your videos

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29. ExqMed says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    Props to you for standing up against cyberbullies! 💪

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30. Willy Gun says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    No offense, but, you're better with less makeup. Either way still looks good tho.

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31. cmamzco says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    i dream from car crashes alot…like ALOT and i would love to know what that means 27:15

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32. Raiden Lozenthall says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    16:36 !! Cheers from Mexico, great content !!

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33. Khristian Ortega says:

    July 2, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    that Canadian "soorry" at the beginning caught my ear really quick. That accent was hard to detect.

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